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by Hugh Rienhoff last modified Oct 27, 2007 08:48 PM

A discussion of how I thought about this case and how I decided which genes to sequence -- a working paper.

The hypothesis begins with the Marfan Syndrome (MFS MIM #154700), a disease affecting the connective tissue including the skeleton, arterial wall tissue and other elastic tissues [].   The disease is well known among clinical geneticists and to the public. The appearance of these patients is often striking: they are unusually tall, have long arms and long fingers.  They often have narrow long faces, crowded teeth with narrow, high-arched palates and can be very myopic because of dislocated lenses in the eyes.  Those with MFS are at great risk for developing aortic root aneurysms and need to be followed by echocardiography closely.  Patients with MFS are treated with beta adrenergic antagonists (beta blockers) to reduce stress on the aortic; this has been shown to delay the onset of severe aortic disease and postpone the need for surgical treatment [].

 

The genetic cause of MFS was identified in 1991; mutations were found in the fibrillin 1 gene []. The fibrillin 1 protein complexes with itself and other proteins (e.g collagen VI, fibrillin 2) to form a protein structure called the extracellular microfibril that associates at the margins of maturing elastic fibers forming part of a matrix during development of the embryo.  Fibrillin 1 and presumably all other proteins in the complex are needed to one degree or another to ensure that following birth, elastic fibers and non-elastic tissues are properly maintained. 

 

One function of the extracellular microfibril is to serve as a reservoir for an important family of growth factors called the Transforming Growth Factor beta (TGFbeta) family that regulate the growth and differentiation of cells.  The current understanding is that at least 5 of the 33 members of this family of growth factors are held in an inactive or latent state bound to the microfibrillar matrix [].  These include TGFbeta 1, 2, 3, GDF8 and GDF11 [].  When appropriate, these hormones are liberated by specific proteases and bind to specific receptors.  In this manner these powerful growth factors can be held inactive locally and released near their target cell only when appropriate.

 

Some of the clinical features -- importantly the vascular disease -- of MFS can be ascribed to activation of the TGFb pathway.  There are two lines of evidence supporting this.  First, a mouse model of Marfan syndrome – a mouse carrying one mutant allele of the fibrillin 1 gene and a wild-type fibrillin 1 – has many of the skeletal and other physical features of the human disease.  The vascular disease can be mitigated by treatment with an anti-TGFbeta antibody [].  A second line of evidence is the recent description of a new syndrome – Loeys Dietz - that presents with many Marfanoid features (MIM  #609192); Loeys Dietz Syndrome (LDS) is associated with mutations in the TGFbeta receptors TGFBRI and TGFBRII [].  This biochemical and genetic data support the view that some of the important pathophysiology of MFS and LDS involves the inappropriate activation of the TGFbeta signaling pathway []. 

 

The important details are such: fibrillin 1 binds a protein called latent TGFbeta-binding protein 1 one of whose properties is to bind a latent form of TGFbeta. [].  When the microfibrillar matrix is ill composed or structurally abnormal, concentrations of active TGFbeta rise [].  Excess TGFbeta binds to and activates to a greater degree than normal the TGFbeta receptors and its downstream intracellular signaling molecules, most importantly SMAD2/3 [].  This pathway activation has many different effects depending on the cells that are activated; for example, TGFbeta induces immune tolerance by regulating T-lymphocyte proliferation, differentiation and survival while under some circumstances other cells are inhibited from proliferating [].        

 

The tissue distribution and specific protein composition of the microfibril and surrounding matrix probably account for the different phenotypes seen with changes in the TGFbeta receptor genes.  One can infer from MFS and LDS that there are severe disturbances in the vascular tree beginning with the aortic root.  In the case of Beals Syndrome, associated with mutations in fibrillin 2, the disturbance would appear generally confined to the skeleton and the musculature.

 

Though LDS shares many features with MFS, notably the Marfanoid habitus, LDS is distinguished in three ways from MFS.  Patients with LDS have more extensive and more severe vascular disease than those with MFS accounting for the average age of death around 27 compared to MFS where the average age of death has historically been later often in the 4th or 5th decade[].  In addition, LDS patients typically have hypertelorism and a bifid uvula, clinical findings rarely found in MFS[].  

 

The TGFBRI and II mutations reported in LDS alter in some unknown way the balance of receptor activation of downstream targets such that there is an apparent activation of the TGFbeta pathway similar with that observed in the MFS.  SMAD2and SMAD3 are two substrates of the TGFBRI kinase and when phosphorylated, serve as the “second” messenger translocating to the nucleus in a complex with SMAD4 [].  There is evidence that the concentration of phosphorylated SDAD2/3 is elevated in the aortic tissue of patients with LDS [].  Exactly how a defective receptor could result in an activated pathway is the subject of active investigations but a mutation in a protein caveolin 3 involved in regulating the turnover of a TGFbeta-like receptor ActIIR (a.k.a. ACVR), also results in the toxic activation of the TGFBRI pathway [].  In the context of LDS, one interpretation is that if the mutant TGFbeta receptor lingers in an activated state, signaling persists as well.  The dominant nature of the inheritance of LDS indicates a single mutant TGFbeta receptor I or II protein in the heterotetrameric complex is sufficient to cause the phenotype.  It seems most likely that the aberrant signaling is mediated by a TGFbeta receptor I or II complex containing one copy of the wild-type protein bound to a copy of the mutant protein.  Following this model, one of the receptors composing the homodimer can be activated by phosphorylation, e.g. in the case of the Type II mutant/wild-type homodimer by ligand binding.  In the case of a mutant Type I receptor complexed with its wild-type cognate, the wild-type version of the Type I would be expected to be phosphorylated by the Type II complex; this complex is seems capable of phosphorylating its substrate, SMAD2 and SMAD3 but, critically, it is not subject to normal receptor down-regulation.   In mice, a deletion of one copy of either TGFbeta receptor genes has no phenotype making haploinsufficiency in LDS a less likely explanation []. 

 

A close look at the location of mutations in the TGFBRI and II reported for LDS reveals that they are missense mutations found almost exclusively in the portion of the gene coding for kinase domains of the two receptors [].  Although it is early in the history of this disease with the full spectrum of mutations and the full spectrum of phenotypes yet to be fully described and correlated, it does suggest that the distinguishing aspects of LDS – diffuse, aggressive vascular disease, hypertelorism, and bifid uvula – may be owing solely to mutations in the kinase domains in otherwise intact receptor proteins that can assemble with a wild-type counterpart.  More importantly for this discussion, the dominant and activating nature of the kinase domain mutations on the pathway might serve as a general model for activation in other TGFbeta superfamily receptors.

 

It was obvious my daughter had many features that could be described as Marfanoid including the pectus deformity, pes planus, lax ligaments, and hyperextensibility of her joints but the additional findings of bifid uvula and hypertelorism strongly suggested the diagnosis of LDS.  But it was difficult to conclude she had LDS because no mutation was found in either TGBFR genes, she thankfully has no evidence of vascular disease in three successive echocardiograms and her chief clinical concern was diminished muscle mass with its attendant weakness, a feature not noted in any of the 80 reported LDS patients[].  This last point seemed worthwhile focusing on as it was the cause of her morbidity and patients with LDS or MFS are not noted to have significant delays in achievement of gross motor milestones as my daughter did.

 

TGFbeta pathway activation seemed a necessary condition to satisfy for any biochemical or genetic explanation of her problem; more specifically, the ideal hypothesis would involve activation of SMAD2/3 given the bifid uvula and hypertelorism.  The open question was: what could account for hypomyoplasia?  Suspicion fell on other members of the TGFbeta superfamily, principally myostatin.

 

Myostatin or growth/differentiation factor 8 (GDF8) is a member of the TGFbeta family of secreted proteins [].  Myostatin was named for its principle property of inhibiting muscle growth [].  The protein has been shown to play a key role in regulating muscle mass [].  Myostatin is highly conserved among vertebrates and mutations in the myostatin gene have been reported in a several species of domestic animals with muscular hypertrophy.  A child presenting with extraordinary musculature with two null copies of the myostatin gene established the role of myostatin in regulating muscle mass in humans [].  Myostatin gene expression is largely confined to cells of skeletal-muscle lineage inhibiting the activation of satellite cells, the stem cells of skeletal muscle.  Its expression begins in the early embryo and persists throughout life regulating both hypertrophy and hyperplasia of myocytes thereby influencing both muscle mass and strength []. 

 

Much interest has focused on the potential to therapeutically regulate muscle mass by targeting myostatin with the goal of modifying the clinical course of muscular dystrophies or acquired diseases with muscle wasting where excess myostatin is thought to play a role [].  This hope is founded on the observation that antibodies directed against myostatin significantly increase muscle mass in normal mice []. Likewise, chronic administration of myostatin to normal mice reduces muscle mass [].  There are no reports of excess myostatin or activation of myostatin signaling in heritable human disease.

 

Myostatin binds to the activin receptors (ActR or ACVR), receptors very closely related to the TGFbeta receptor.  These receptors, like the TGFBRs, are heteromeric complexes composed of two Type I homodimers and two Type II homodimers.  The Type II protein component of the complete (heterotetramer) receptor mediates extracellular ligand binding while the Type I component specifies the intracellular signaling mediator.  Ligand binds the Type II receptor protein inducing its association with the Type I receptor. The regulation of the receptor, the association of Type I and Type II proteins and the intracellular signaling is mediated by phosphorylation.  Each receptor protein has a serine/threonine kinase activity that is essential for proper signaling.  The control of ligand signaling is further complicated by the existence of several distinct Type I receptor proteins that can associate with Type II receptor proteins.  Indeed, the TGFBR and the activin receptors can share a common Type I receptor, TGFBRI, one of the two genes mutated in LDS.  Myostatin signaling occurs principally through the activin receptor IIB (ActRIIB) or ActRIIA using as a Type I component TGFBRI or Alk4, a Type I receptor closely related to TGFBRI.  There is additional overlap between TGFBR signaling and that of the activin receptor beyond use the same Type I receptor components.  Ligands signaling through either the TGFbeta or myostatin (activin) receptor complex use SMAD2/3 to mediate intracellular signaling.

 

The activin receptor genes, ActRII, ActRIIB, ActRIB were candidates for mutations in my daughter because all mediate myostatin signaling.  By analogy with LDS, a mutation in the kinase domain of an Activin receptor might be expected to have the same molecular phenotype, namely enhanced intracellular signaling through elevated phosphor-SMAD2/3 leading to inhibition of muscle development. Though there may be considerable overlap, any clinical difference between LDS and a defect in activin receptors might be accounted for on the basis of differences in the cellular and tissue distribution of the two groups of receptors.  The discovery that caveolin 3, the cause of autosomal dominant limb girdle muscular dystrophy, regulated myostatin receptor signaling confirmed indirectly the clinical importance of myostatin.

 

Thus, I designed the necessary oligonucleotides to sequences these three genes using as my guide the sequencing strategy for the TGFbeta receptor genes.

None of these genes may, in the final analysis, be responsible for my daughter's condition but it seems feasible that a kinase-domain mutation similar to that see in the TGFbRI and II genes could be responsible for a syndrome that includes marked muscle hypoplasia. It would be worthwhile to be on the lookout clinically for kids with delayed motor milestones with bifid uvulas. They would need echocardiograms too.
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Myostatin

Posted by Administrator at Oct 18, 2007 04:57 PM
Hi, my name is Carlene Eteveneaux, I am a PhD student at Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand. My project is focused around myostatin.
When I arrived in the lab this morning, my supervisor had emailed me the link to an article in the most recent Nature News Section, detailing your story - its very sad and very interesting at the same time, especially how you have come to believe that the TGF beta signalling pathway may be involved. As I work on myostatin, I have quite a knowledge of this family (well I am supposed to anyway!) and am wondering if you have looked at the possibility that the mutation is in myostatin or another of the family members or one of the proteins involved in regulation of the family, such as follistatin, rather than in the receptor. Although a mutation in myostatin that renders the protein inactive results in a double-muscled phenotype, if a mutation resulted in increased activity of myostatin this would have the opposite effect. For example, myostatin is subject to a huge degree of regulation - one such regulatory protein is the myostatin propeptide (I am assuming you have knowledge of the processing of the family?) - if the propeptide had a mutation in its inhibitory domain and was unable to bind to the mysotatin ligand with the same efficiency, one would expect this to result in increased signalling.

I apologise if you have already looked into this and my email appears 'patronizing' in any way! Please feel free to email me if you want to discuss any of this further.
Thanks
Carlene Eteveneaux

Myostatin

Posted by Hugh Rienhoff at Oct 18, 2007 05:00 PM
Carlene:

Your comments are more than welcome. I come to the field as a stranger.

I have had extensive conversation with an old friend Se-Jin Lee at Hopkins (I spoke with him this morning). I have considered your suggestions but you are right, the mechanism might be harder to explain and the number of candidates was greater. GASP1, FLRG, Follistain 1 etc. I am open to your hypothesis -- are you sequencing the human gene?. It sounds like a very good idea for me to do this if you can't.

very best wishes,
hugh

LOF mutation having GOF phenotype

Posted by Hugh Rienhoff at Oct 18, 2007 05:01 PM
Dear Dr. Rienhoff, I came across the Nature article on your daughter's condition and your efforts to find out the genetic cause. I was particularly interested in the potential link to the TGF-beta pathway and how defects in certain receptors could be associated with activation of the pathway. I did my graduate work on TGF-beta/BMP signaling in Drosophila and found that loss of function mutations in one of the type I receptors, saxophone (human ACVR or ALK1/2), can lead to ectopic activation of the pathway. Out working hypothesis was that one of this receptor's functions is to modulate the availability of ligands for signaling through other TGF-beta receptors by binding to them with no signaling outcome. And in its absence, there is more ligand available for signaling via other BMP receptors, which leads to either elevated levels of signaling or an increase in the range of signaling. I am not sure if you are still following up on the TGF-beta connection. In case you are, i thought I would mention it. good luck in your research and hope your daughter is doing well. Sincerely, Erdem Bangi

Loss of Function

Posted by Hugh Rienhoff at Oct 18, 2007 05:05 PM
Dr. Bangi:
This is a fascinating observation. Do you have these results written up which I could read?
This sounds like haplo-insufficiency causing a gain of function phenotype similar in some senses to the loss of function of fibrillin 1 in the Marfan presenting as a gain of function through the elevation of TGFbeta. Are aware of any other receptors that might could titrate out TGFb or myostatin protein?

best wishes,
hugh

Glycosylation and Mitochondrion

Posted by Administrator at Oct 18, 2007 08:48 PM

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A parent with a child with Prader-Willi syndrome (PWS) sent me a link to the new Nature article about you and your daughter and I have visited your web site. Briefly, I'm a retiree with a consuming interest in PWS ever since a friend's daughter was born with it in March 2006. PWS is due to the actual or functional deletion of a part of chromosome 15 and was first defined as a distinct genetic syndrome in 1956. It is assumed the central lesion in PWS is hypothalamic but in general PWS is still very poorly characterized biochemically. Given the paucity of effective treatments for PWS, I have been trying to trace out what is going on in PWS, especially in terms of energy metabolism, by attempting to "connect the dots" between research findings, lab test results shared by parents, working backwards from what seems to "work" for at least some with PWS (coenzyme Q10, carnitine, low carb diets), etc. It's an interesting endeavor and you can see some of that effort at the web site I have about it - http://www.pwsdots.org/. I am also a member of the research committee of the Foundation for Prader-Willi Research (http://www.fpwr.org/). Obviously your daughter doesn't have PWS, but it strikes me that your effort to figure out what is going with her is somewhat similar to what I'm trying to do in terms of the unknowns in PWS, so I thought I'd offer some thoughts about that. Part of the problem in PWS is that we know some of what is missing in the PWS critical region on c15 (certain genes such as necdin (NDN), binding sites for nuclear respiratory factor-1 (NRF-1), etc.), but we still don't know exactly what the missing gene products do nor the exact import of the missing regulatory sequences. Frankly, I suspect it's going to be many years before all that is figured out, but in the meantime kids and families have to deal with PWS now. Hence my effort to go at things somewhat "backwards" - that is, to try to define what is happening biochemically in order to see if there is some way to help improve things now. I think that approach may also be helpful for your daughter - it may take many years to figure out what gene(s) are affected in her, but you can investigate now what is going on in terms of energy and protein metabolism and see if that gives some clue to what could help her now. Various aspects of your daughter's presentation including the hypotonia and muscle weakness, inverted nipples, musculoskeletal abnormalities, poor weight gain and reduced muscle mass (which suggest a protein-losing enteropathy), etc., hint that there might be an impairment in glycosylation (see, e.g., http://www.pwsdots.org/[…]/CongenitalDisordersOfGlycosylation). Congenital disorders of glycosylation (CDGs) are a very heterogenuous group of disorders ranging from fairly mild to devastating and are still a relatively new area of research, so although at least 20 have been identified to date, it seems clear that there are others to be discovered given that glycosylation is a very complex pathway (see, e.g., http://www.genome.jp/kegg/glycan/). For example, one thing that may be of interest in terms of your daughter is that decorin is a glycosylated protein that is involved in fibrillogenesis and interacts with fibronectin, thrombospondin, and transforming growth factor-beta (TGF-beta, which are you are already investigating). At any rate, a first step towards seeing if impaired glycosylation is perhaps part of what is going on with your daughter probably would be to have her asialotransferrin checked via a blood test available through some university medical research centers and the like, e.g., the Burnham Institute (see details below my signature). Also, given your daughter's continuing hypotonia, muscle weakness, gross motor delays and diminished reflexes (also found in PWS), it seems worthwhile to me to investigate her mitochondrial function (impairment of which can be tissue specific, e.g., limited to muscle) because there are some definite treatment options (CoQ10, carnitine, etc.) that could potentially be very useful there. In fact it may be helpful to do a trial of CoQ10 and/or Carnitor (L-carnitine) to see if they might be helpful for her. Anyway, your daughter is definitely a real cutie and I hope the response to the Nature article provides some useful ideas to help identify what is affecting her and, most importantly, some treatment options. Take care, Oneida Kincaid Burnham Institute contact info: Hudson H. Freeze Christian Kranz Glycobiology and Carbohydrate Chemistry Program Burnham Institute for Medical Research 10901 N. Torrey Pines Road La Jolla, CA 92037 phone: 858-646-3142

Mitos and Glycos

Posted by Administrator at Oct 18, 2007 09:24 PM
Dr. Kincaid:
Indeed we are on the same path and I wish we could consolidate the efforts! Perhaps we can put links on each other's sites for the aid of users?

Interesting connection between glycosylation and TGFb. We did get disorders of gycosylation ruled out at Hopkins. I gave a great deal of thought to mito disorders but with normal lactic acid, and no CNS issues or neuropathy, I have tentatively concluded it is more of a connective tissue disorder. It would be very hard to explain arachnodactlyly or bifid uvula based on mitochondrial dysfunction -- these are key clinical clues. That is not to say that for a period I did give my daughter Coenzyme Q. (Did nothing but no harm either,)

Your own work is fascinating -- I am sure you are right that it will take years to unravel the story of PWS. The strategy of working "backwards" seems sound. If you can ameliorate even some of the symptoms by administering a compound based on a biochemical understanding of the pathophysiology, that is a good start. Indeed, that is what I have done.

Please take a look the user EW on MyDaughtersDNA. She has some kind of metabolic disorder you might be able to help with. Do any autism features come up in either disorders of glycosylation or mitochondrial disorders? You might comment directly under the case where it invites Add Comments.

I am taking the liberty of posting your email on the site under the My Best Guess page in my folder because you have contributed to my thinking and I would like others to share it.

Very best wishes,
hugh

ACVRs

Posted by Administrator at Oct 19, 2007 09:15 AM
Dear Dr Rienhoff,

I just read the article about you and your daughter in Nature. I have
worked for a number of years on the structure-function analysis of
members of the TGFbeta family, in particular activin and inhibin. In
2003, we used a mutagenesis strategy to identify the activin binding
site on ALK4 (see attached). In the course of that study we actually
generated some ALK4 mutants that bound activin more efficiently than
wild type ALK4, although they appear to be well away from the variations
in your daughter's gene.

I have two suggestions for genes you may want to look at other than ALK4
or ActRII/IIB:
(1) If your hypothesis is correct and your daughter's symptoms are due
to aberrant TGFbeta superfamily signalling, then it may be that there is
a problem with ligand regulation. Follistatin or FLRP are obvious
candidates and the follistatin knockout mice are retarded in their growth.
(2) You stated that your daughter "..was just melting away". This seems
reminiscent of the phenotype of the inhibin alpha subunit knockout mice.
Inhibins are heterodimers of an alpha and beta subunit, whereas activins
are homodimers of beta subunits. Inhibin's antagonize activin actions by
binding to ActRII/IIB (in concert with a co-receptor, betaglycan). The
inhibin KO mice develop gonadal tumors and this is accompanied by a
severe progressive cachexia-like wasting syndrome characterized by
weight loss, lethargy, Kyphoscoliosis, and a sunken eye appearance. The
pathological finding of this wasting syndrome included anemia,
hepatocellular necrossi around the central vein of the liver, and
atrophy in the glandular stomach with a block in differentiation of
multiple gastric lineages. It was found that activin levels were high in
the inhibin alpha KO mice and it was activin acting via ActRII at the
liver and stomach that caused the wasting syndrome (all these studies
came out of Martin Matzuk's lab).

Hope this may be of some help.

Kind regards,

Craig Harrison


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Over-acting activin

Posted by Administrator at Oct 19, 2007 09:30 AM
Dear Dr. Harrison:
I appreciate your interest and suggestions. I have considered looking at the antagonists of myostatin itself but felt that the receptors were better first candidates because of the non-muscle phenotypes as well as the hypomyoplasia.

Regarding unopposed activin, this is an interesting idea. My "wasting away" quote was probably overstating the situation. It is fair to say that my daughter has not gained very much weight, is way below where she should be. But there is no evidence of liver dysfunction or anemia fortunately. I have not read the paper with inhibin KO but I assume that was a homzygous KO. I need to understand this better obviously.

Many thanks for your insights and directing me to this data.

I have taken the liberty of posting your note in my Folder on the site on the page My Best Guess.

Many thanks,
Hugh

The paper you recommended.: http://mail.google.com/mail[…]att&th=115b6f5d0fda2cbe

Gene expression

Posted by Andrew Bond at Oct 20, 2007 12:02 PM
Hello,

My doctoral work was in the field of posttranscriptional regulation of gene expression, and I can't help but think that mis-regulated expression may be involved. I was curious if you have looked into the regulation of the TGFbeta family. Specifically, if you have looked into the role that microRNAs play in regulating the translation of myostatin, ACVR, etc. There is some literature on the regulation of myostatin by miRNAs (see review http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/dna.2006.0556 and paper http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v38/n7/abs/ng1810.html).

Best of luck.

-Andrew

miRNA

Posted by Administrator at Oct 20, 2007 04:39 PM
Dear Andrew:
Given the location of the variant I have found in the 3'UTR, I am assuming that post-transcriptional regulation is playing a role. (I, of course, have to first sequence myself and my wife to rule out our carrying the same variant.) That 3'UTR in the ACVR1B gene is highly concerned and also unusally long compared to the other ACVRs and to other genes for that matter. I did search for miRNA binding sites in the region of the variant and saw none but I might be well served to do that again. The recent paper showing that the Nodal gradiant in the Xenopus embryo is regulated by microRNAs regulating Nodal's receptor, ACVR2B, was a very interesting and germane result. The human has that same binding site though it is different from the location of the variant my daughter has.

The pathophysiology would necessarily have to be different than a kinase domain mutation in the ACVRs as I had initially hypothesized. In this case, the assumption would be that absent a proper miRNA binding site, the amount of the mRNA would rise which in turn would be associated with an elevated amounts of receptor protein. I have asked around to see if there are good examples of a dominant phenotype of pathway activation with over-expression of a Type I receptor. It seems feasible though I can find no examples in the case of the TGFb super family.

I will follow up on your suggested reading and am grateful for your thoughts on the etiology of the case.

many thanks,
hugh



phosphoSMAD2/3

Posted by Hugh Rienhoff at Nov 12, 2007 08:38 PM
It was with great interest that I read your description of your daughter's case and your thinking on the molecular etiology of the disease. This is clearly outside my field of expertise. Nonetheless after reading your hypothesis and the e-mails you have received, it would appear to a non-expert that the next step would be to try to determine if the Smad2/3 pathway is changed in any way in your daughter's muscle compared to age matched controls (this may be the most difficult part). It should be relatively straightforward to analyze levels of phosphorylated Smad2 and Smad3 by western blot. Initially you could always use a biopsy of your own muscle as a control since obtaining biopsy material from age matched controls may be difficult, at least initially.

Best regards,
Miguel Sena Esteves, PhD
Assistant Professor
Molecular Neurogenetics UnitDepartments of Neurology and Neuroscience
Massachusetts General Hospital

variability in phosphoSMAD2/3 levels

Posted by Hugh Rienhoff at Nov 12, 2007 08:47 PM
Dear Dr. Esteves:

Yours is an excellent thought. I should point out that TGFb is outside
my field too but I have a reading knowledge now. I have indeed
considered what tests I might do were a muscle biopsy done. But I
have been reluctant to permit a biopsy for a variety of reasons. You
put your finger on one of them: because SMAD2 and 3 and phosphSMAD2/3 levels are dynamic and are mediators (even in muscle) of at least 3 (of the known 5) forms of
Type II TGFb receptors (TGFbRII, ACVRII, ACVRIIB), the study would likely be
very hard to interpret. Without aged matched controls, my wife and I might be the next best controls but I suspect poor ones.

Thank you for your interest and thoughtfulness.
best,
hugh

Treatment

Posted by David W. Moskowitz MD FACP at Jan 29, 2008 12:15 PM
For over a year before Marfanoid mice were shown (last fall) to respond to angiotensin II receptor blockers (ARBs), we were treating a Marfan's patient with high dose ACE inhibition, to good effect. Angiotensin II is upstream of TGF-beta. Earlier, we demonstrated that we could reverse another TGF-beta-dependent disease, namely end-stage renal disease due to hypertension or NIDDM (1). I'd therefore like to suggest our approach for your daughter. Then you can find the actual genes involved at your leisure, knowing she's getting the best treatment available.

Best regards,
Dave Moskowitz MD

1. Moskowitz DW. From pharmacogenomics to improved patient outcomes: angiotensin I-converting enzyme as an example. Diabetes Technol Ther. 2002;4(4):519-32. PMID: 12396747. (For PDF file, click on paper #1 at: http://www.genomed.com/inde[…]stor&drill=publications)


treatment

Posted by Administrator at Jan 31, 2008 11:29 AM
David:
I was made aware of your work and its "priority" in the literature by another member of this community. I have to state outright that the diagnosis my daughter has a "TGFbeta-opathy" is still conjecture though I believe the clinical picture is entirely consistent with that hypothesis. This has given me confidence to permit treatment with losartan at 1.5mg/kg/d.

Once the decision to treat has been made the conversation shifts to what is the right dose and is there evidence that the treatment is effective. I understand some Marfan patients are taking 2-5 times the recommended dose of losartan (on their own or with the blessing of their physician?). My first set of questions to you: how do you dose? titrate to tolerability/toxicity such as hypotention, etc. and then back off? What evidence is there that more is better? Given that my daughter has no evidence by echocardiography of vascular disease thus excluding measurements of the aortic root as a useful marker of drug effectiveness, what other markers of drug effectiveness might you suggest. This is a way of asking: now that my daughter is being treated, is this treatment for life (no pun intended)? There is reason to believe that muscle mass could be up-regulated by ARBs thus muscle strength could be such a measure especially in a little girl who is hypomyoplasitic and quite weak.

You mention that angiotensin is up-stream of TGFb. I have tried very hard to understand the biochemical connections between the signaling pathways of the TGFb and Angiotensin systems and my best read is that these pathways interact at the level of SMAD2/3 phosphrylation perhaps via MAP Kinase or a phosphoSMAD2/3 phosphatase downstream of the TGFb and AT1 receptors. Could you cite for me work that the effect is more up-stream?

Thank you for your interest in this site and in this case. And thank you for pioneering this field of therapeutics.

regards,
hugh

ARBs, ACEI's and TGF-beta

Posted by David W. Moskowitz MD FACP at Mar 11, 2008 08:04 AM
Thanks so much for your kind comments. You do me great honor.

Here are my responses to your questions:

"My first set of questions to you: how do you dose? titrate to tolerability/toxicity such as hypotention, etc. and then back off?"

Exactly. Hypotension is what limits the dose. You don't want your daughter to feel dizzy or light-headed. If she does, cut the dose in half. Giving the ARB at night helps, too, since she'll be lying down during its peak concentration. In a child, an ACEI is too strong to use. Only an ARB will do.

"What evidence is there that more is better?"

High-dose quinapril reversed diabetic and hypertensive kidney failure; regular dose quinapril (40 mg/day) didn't (1). The N-terminal active site seems to be the most important for target-organ damage (and probably TGF-beta production); the C-terminal active site of ACE seems to be constitutively active and responsible for resting BP (2,3). The N-terminal active site appears to be hydrophobic, and perhaps also further occluded by the "clippase" or "sheddase" that bear-hugs tissue (membrane-bound) ACE (3). Free circulating, serum ACE, has a much easier time being inhibited, e.g. at perhaps two orders of magnitude lower concentrations than tissue ACE. So it's possible to dissociate BP-lowering effects of ACEI's, which occur at low doses, e.g. 5 mg of enalapril, from tissue-sparing doses, which may be 30X higher.

There's no literature yet on the optimal dose of ACEI to use in humans. In rats, a quinapril dose of 3 mg/kg/d achieved the lowest BP (I know, I just said that BP was separate from target-organ damage in humans. Rats may differ from humans in this respect--that BP control actually requires high doses, too. There's obviously room for a lot more study). We use only about 0.5 mg/kg/d quinapril--40 mg/d. In practice, I use as much ACEI as the person's BP will allow.

Depending on the disease, hydrophobicity also seems desirable (2). Like dosage, hydrophobicity needs further study. Each disease may have an optimal ACE inhibitor.

1: Moskowitz DW. From pharmacogenomics to improved patient outcomes: angiotensin I-converting enzyme as an example. Diabetes Technol Ther. 2002;4(4):519-32.
PMID: 12396747. (For PDF file, click on paper #1 at: http://www.genomed.com/inde[…]stor&drill=publications)

2: Moskowitz DW. Is "somatic" angiotensin I-converting enzyme a mechanosensor? Diabetes Technol Ther. 2002;4(6):841-58. PMID: 12685804 (For PDF file, click on paper #3 at: http://www.genomed.com/inde[…]stor&drill=publications)

3. Moskowitz DW, Johnson FE. The central role of angiotensin I-converting enzyme in vertebrate pathophysiology. Curr Top Med Chem. 2004;4(13):1433-54. PMID: 15379656 (For PDF file, click on paper #6 at: http://www.genomed.com/inde[…]stor&drill=publications)

"Could you cite for me work that the effect is more up-stream?"

Angiotensin II, the product of ACE, stimulates PKC through the angiotensin II type 1 (activating) receptors. TGF-beta has TPA-response elements (TRE's) in its promoter. Q.E.D.

Best regards,
Dave